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Raymond Carver

What We Talk About When We Talk About Love

Fiction | Short Story | Adult | Published in 1981

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Background

Authorial Context: Raymond Carver

Raymond Clevie Carver Jr. was born in Oregon in 1938 and died 50 years later in Washington. He is best known as a short story writer, although he also wrote prose and poetry. After marrying young and having a daughter, Carver took a creative writing course taught by the novelist John Gardner at Chico State College, now known as California State University. Gardner, best known for writing Grendel, a 1971 retelling of Beowulf from the monster’s point of view, was a huge influence on Carver. Gardner taught him the importance of authenticity in writing, with Carver later claiming:

[I]f the words and the sentiments were dishonest, the author was faking it, writing about things he didn’t care about or believe in, then nobody could ever care anything about it (Carver, Raymond, Call If You Need Me: The Uncollected Fiction and Other Prose, 2001, p. 113).

In 1961, Carver published his first short story, “The Furious Seasons,” which owed more to American writer William Faulkner than to the later pared-back style with which he is best well-known. He received his BA in General Studies from Humboldt Stage College, California. He failed to complete an MA at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop and falsely claimed he successfully completed an MFA here. While holding a variety of low-paying jobs, Carver continued to write and publish short stories and poetry, some of which appeared in distinguished magazines like Esquire and The New Yorker. In 1967, he published his first book of poetry, Near Klamath. His story “Will You Please Be Quiet, Please?” was published in Martha Foley’s annual The Best American Short Stories anthology. Critics took notice, seeing a writer who gave voice to the disenfranchised middle classes and blue-collar workers in America of the 1970s and 1980s.

Toward the end of the 1960s, Carver met Gordon Lish, who would go on to become his editor at the publishing house, Albert A. Knopf, and help create a particular “Carver” style. This was evident in the anthologies Will You Please Be Quiet, Please? (1976) and What We Talk About When We Talk About Love (1981). As Carver moved away from the influence of Lish, as seen in Cathedral (1983), his work trended toward a less pessimistic and more lyrical style. A final collection of short stories, Where I’m Calling From, appeared in 1988, and American writer John Updike selected the titular story for inclusion in The Best American Short Stories of the Century.

Carver had an alcohol addiction and said he “gave up” writing and “took to full-time drinking.” Nevertheless, he continued to produce well-received work and teach creative writing at various universities. His work has been hugely influential and is especially popular in creative writing courses. Carver has also been credited with reviving the fortunes of the short story form, which previously fell out of favor in America. He has influenced writers as diverse as Jay McInerney, Haruki Murakami, and Chuck Kinder, and in 1993, Robert Altman based his movie Short Cuts on nine short stories and a poem by the author. Carver received two acclaimed nominations: Will You Please Be Quiet, Please? for the National Book Awards in 1977 and Cathedral for a Pulitzer Prize in 1984. Carver was inducted into the American Academy of Arts and Letters in 1988, the year of his death.

Literary Context: Editor Gordon Lish and Revisions to Carver’s Work

Carver’s original draft of his short story collection “What We Talk About When We Talk About Love” was “Beginners,” which contained lengthy blocks of narration in lieu of dialogue. Editor Gordon Lish heavily revised Carver’s manuscripts, sometimes by as much as 70% per story. (An example of Lish’s edits to “Beginners” is available here.) Lish went as far as changing titles, characters, and endings, as well as intervening in the formatting of the stories and adding details of his own. Author and professor Arthur F. Bethea argues:

Lish was undeniably indispensable in creating what is unique about ‘What We Talk About,’ its radically compressed, highly elliptical style. Dominated by short paragraphs, shorter sentences, and white space, ‘What We Talk About’ draws attention, even before a word is read, to what isn’t there (Bethea, Arthur F. Technique and Sensibility in the Fiction and Poetry of Raymond Carver, 2001, p. 87).

Carver was grateful for his editor’s changes, which brought him literary acclaim for his pared-back style, but he also felt that Lish drained the lifeblood of his work. He described the editing as “surgical amputation and transplant that might make them someway fit into a carton so the lid will close” (Carver, Raymond. “Letters to an Editor: Letters from Raymond Carver to Gordon Lish.” The New Yorker, 24 December 2007). Lish wanted to make Carver sound more like a blue-collar Ernest Hemingway, which led him to strip away many literary references that Carver initially used. He believed that working class people would not be able to understand them. Additionally, he thought that positive endings should be made more downbeat to make them sound more “authentic.” Ambiguity in literature, and specifically, ambiguous endings, emphasize the story’s realism: life cannot be neatly tied up.

The full version of the story wasn’t published until 2007 in the New Yorker, reprinted in Beginners by Jonathan Cape in 2009. Carver’s widow, Tess Gallagher, was instrumental in this process (Armitage, Simon. “Rough Crossings: The Cutting of Raymond Carver.” The New Yorker, 24 December 2007).

Genre Context: Dirty Realism

In 1983, Granta magazine identified “Dirty Realism” as a new school of American writers, of which Carver is regarded as being at the forefront, alongside Charles Bukowski, Tobias Wolff, Richard Ford, Jayne Ann Phillips, and Cormac McCarthy. Characters are notable for their ordinary or marginal lives, though there is often a disparity between their dreams and lack of financial and social opportunities, which creates an inner turmoil. The writing style is economic, avoiding sentimentality and exaggeration, instead focusing on objects, setting, and outward appearance to convey deeper meaning. Writer and critic Brian A. Oard said:

The Carveresque image allows the reader to glimpse the terrible waste of his characters’ lives (something the characters themselves can sometimes feel but rarely see) and forces the reader to reconsider the entire story in the image’s dark light (Kita, Viola. “Dirty Realism in Carver’s Work.” Mediterranean Journal of Social Sciences, 2014).

Carver’s style is described as minimalist, a term he himself rejected, claiming that he did not understand what it meant. Minimalism adheres to the idea that “less is more.” Carver’s work has been compared to Ernest Hemingway’s, whose short stories, such as “The Killers” and “Hills like White Elephants,” are similarly written in a simple and direct manner, devoid of embellishment. Hemingway described his style as following the “iceberg theory,” meaning that the story should only hint at what lay beneath the surface.

It is also thought that Carver’s style has similarities with Anton Chekhov, a Russian writer of plays and short stories. Chekhov straddled Realism and Modernism. He wanted to write about only what was verifiable from real life and yet at the same time, be subtextual—alluding to what his characters were feeling, rather than what was being said on the surface, and how this could be symbolically conveyed. Similarly, in Carver’s story, the characters’ lack of movement contrasts with their longing to be in a different place. Thematically, Dirty realism can be considered pessimistic, dwelling on such issues as failure, bad luck, and toxic masculinity. The characters are often detached from one another, unable to show love, and paralyzed by the inadequacy of language.

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